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38mm Comandante (conical)
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Burr details: C40 mk4 conical
Preferred flavor profile: Bright acidity, very quick flavor expression, not too much lingering body (or bitterness)However, i want the flavor to be a bit rounded so roast defects wont be highlighted that much
Favorite roasters: substance, TPC
Usage: Pourover, with high TDS water (substance style), go up/down 1 clicks based on how the dripdown goes for the bean on a 01 size V60
47mm Kinu Pourover Burr (POB) (conical)
There are a couple revisions to these burrs. It can be motorized via my DM47 mod. Jkim made a tutorial
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Burr details: Kinu M47 Pourover Burr v1 (circa 2020) & v2 (circa 2023)
Grinder(s) used: Kinu M47, Turin DM47
Preferred flavor profile: Ultralight washed ethiopian landraces (citrus, stonefruit, floral)
Usage as of March 2025:
V60:
Grind setting: Kinu 3.3.5, DM47 at 105 from lock
Water temp: 93-98 C (start at 95 C)
Water comp: Zero water remineralized w/ Santa Cruz tap to 30 ppm TDS
12.5:g190g (adjust ratio depending on grinder)
1:3 bloom, 45s
pour to 115g, wait
at 1:30, pour to 190g
TBT: 2:15-3min
Fellow Aiden:
Grind: Kinu 3.4.5, DM47 at 110 from lock
Water temp: 96 c, 10g:160g
Bloom: 1:3, 30s
3 subsequent pours, 20s pause
TBT: yes
Burr strengths:
Neutrality of acid-sweetness balance
Lack of astringency at a wide range of brew parameters
Dial-able to a wide range of presentations
Potential for high flavor separation
Dial-able for good aroma and structure integration (ie, tasting a lemon note rather than citric acidity)
Burr weaknesses:
Low flavor intensity, acidity, sweetness, and bitterness
Lack of feedback for being "dialed in". Low probability of astringency means that brews can lack aroma and acidity, but not show significant harshness or bitterness
Low output TDS at a given set of brew parameters
How I work with this set:
Dialing this burr is a matter of compensating for the low TDS and flavor intensity. To start, if I were to normally brew at 1:16, I cut the ratio down to 1:15 to get a similar output TDS. Pouring patterns, brew temperatures, filters, and drippers do not change from grinder to grinder for me. Grind setting on this grinder (and any other grinder for that matter) is relative, meaning that the flavor balance you'd get from, say, 22 clicks on a Comandante would have a much different grind output setting on this grinder, which leans coarser than the standardized heptagonal-type set and much coarser than an 80-98 mm SSP flat filter burr. Dialing this burr is at it's core, similar to dialing any other burr. Going coarser will increase the flavor separation, decrease intensity, and at it's extreme, result in underdeveloped flavors. It's common advice to go coarser with this set, but keep in mind that you will can dial in some flavor intensity with a finer setting.
A common complaint with this set is the lack of acidity at the desired grind setting. Assuming all other variables are competently dialed in to your desired structure, you can soften the brewing water to well below standard brew recipes to increase acidity and reduce background bitterness (think: brown) while maintaining or enhancing flavor and aroma quality. Some have used straight RO water to brew with good success.
Compared to well-known heptagonal sets (Q2, K-plus, Comandante), intensity of acidity will be low but flavor separation, complexity, and range of aroma will be higher. There isn't really an analogous grinder or burr that I can compare.
48mm Option-O Moonshine (conical)
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Burr details: Option-O Moonshine. Launch edition with the Lagom Mini in 2022. I believe its finish has been updated since.
Grinder(s) used: Lagom Mini
Preferred flavor profile: Peach tea, lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Ethiopia washed, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, fruitier Panama geshas.
Usage: Pourover across numerous brewers, espresso on Breville Dual Boiler and Nomad.My threshold burr for acceptability. If I were to leave behind coffee as a hobby have one do-it-all burr that I wouldn’t complain about, this comes to mind.
At its launch when it could only be paired with the Lagom Mini, there were concerns about the motor stalling. This is perhaps a non-issue with the Casa and not a reflection on the Moonshine burr.
It is a solid performer anywhere and everywhere. Unlike super high clarity burrs, it is forgiving and easy to dial in. Great as a starting point, without leaving much on the table as experience grows. If you’re truly unserved by this burr, it at least helps you identify which direction to go.
I’d consider it interchangeable with the xBloom burr as a solid do-it-all solution.
Reasons to get:Forgiving and flexible across bean types and water
Straightforward to dial in
Reasons not to get:
You prioritize super-fast output grounds
You want ultra-searing clarity all the time
48mm xBloom Studio (conical)
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note: this submission is from an involved party fwiw
Burr details: 48mm xBloom Studio Grinder
Grinder(s) used: xBloom Studio
Preferred flavor profile: LOUD flavors, acidity forward, clean processing, structure, vibrancy. Favorite roasters: SEY, Apollon's Gold, Moonwake, Hydrangea, The Picky Chemist, Aviary,Usage: Pourover, Espresso
This is in the context of 48mm burrs BTW. Decent flavor intensity. Good body. It has the juice. Good sweetness but brown sugar/honey sweetness, rounding in all the brews (which is not a bad thing). Pretty clean finish but can be boring. At 60rpm it's decently harmonious, not seering clear acidity but very sterile tasting. At 120rpm it has the juice, similar to k-ultra but with a cleaner finish definitely more interesting to taste at 120rpm. Can achieve good flavor intensity. In espresso, very similar to Option O lagom mini.
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Grinder(s) used: xBloom Studio
Preferred flavor profile: Lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Peachy washed Ethiopia, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, peak acidity Kenyas, fruitier Panama geshas.Usage: Pourover on the xBloom.
I think of this burr similar to the Lagom Mini, but thoughts are heavily influenced by its inherent pairing with the xBloom.
It is a solid performer anywhere and everywhere. Unlike super high clarity burrs, it is forgiving and easy to dial in. Unintuitively, it works well as an espresso burr. A no-brainer as a starting point, without leaving much on the table as experience grows. If you’re truly unserved by this burr, it at least helps you identify which direction to go.
Given its balance and ease of dialing, I’d rely on it as a backup burr when I don’t want to run a certain bean through a super high clarity burr, which I would usually run through the xBloom brewer half.
48mm 1Zpresso K-pro/Ultra/Max (conical)
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Preferred flavor profile: Bright, juicy, vibrant, structured, sweet coffees
Usage: Pourover & Espresso
K-ultra presents the main components of the coffee in a loud manner. Higher clarity heptagonal burr profile. Really forgiving and easy to brew with. It has a very dynamic and juicy flavor profile, the main acidity component of the coffee is emphasized and then transitions into the heptagonal burr profile with a rounder/larger body. I think this is a great burrset for entry level enthusiasts who want to enjoy dynamic tasting coffee and can be used to make funkier coffees taste great!Espresso: K-ultra provides acidity forward/"higher clarity" shots and can be pulled at faster flowrates with good body and rounding. Cleaner finish with less harshness than motorized heptagonal burrs like lagom mini
48mm 1Zpresso ZP6 (conical)
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Preferred flavor profile: Sey, September, h&s, hydrangea
Usage: Pour over only usually ufo or colum with this grinder
Great flavor separation taste for a hand grinder. Great clarity at the sacrifice of some body
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Preferred flavor profile: Rounded sweet fruit notes (Melon and Lychee for example) and florals are usually my preference for lighter washed coffees otherwise I really enjoy interesting stuff like co-ferments from Hydrangea, B&W and Dak.
Usage: V60 with Abaca filter for pourover with either water straight from my RO setup with a remineralization stage at the end or a Perfect Water packet. ZP6 is also used for sprovers with a Uniterra Nomad.
Fairly "soft" and light flavor and body profile. I find myself calling ZP6 cups as similar to tea. I don't personally taste as much clarity or separation as other people do from this burr.
A big strength of the ZP6 is being able to constantly grind finer without hitting that wall of astringency as early as many other burrs. After a hundred uses or so it is pretty easy to tell when you're close to a wide window to hit as much sweetness and acidity as you can before you start introducing those tannic notes.
This is usually my go to when I have some interesting washed coffees I would like to push or to use when I want to mute some beans that are a bit too overwhelming in funk or acidity. Even though I prefer something like the K-Plus burrs to the ZP6 I will always reserve about 15-30 grams of beans per bag for this grinder -
Preferred flavor profile: I prefer floral and fruity coffees with a good amount of flavor separation. Am not against some flavors that can be considered "funky" or fermented, but do not enjoy it in larger amounts.
Usage: I find that once you get it in the right grind size(this of course is with my water), its much easier to adjust other variables such as bloom time, temperature or brew ratio. Most of the time when it is dialed in, I find that more often than not its very balanced and quite layered. -
Preferred flavor profile: Prefer intense coffees with interesting acidity (Hydrangea El Velo, CGLE SL34)
Usage: Pourover w/Colum or Sworks. Slow feed and blind shaker, sometimes with melodrip lift. Using empirical water glacial mix.Typically look for flavor intensity and separation first with interesting acidity. When leaning into sweeter coffees will use the Lebrew + Sworks, for more acidity use the ZP6 + Colum. Lebrew/sworks tends to be more forgiving but I find the cups are usually not as interesting / does not produce as clear of separation.
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Preferred flavor profile: In my filter coffee, i look for cleanliness, acid, florals, sweetness, and balance. as such, my preferences on are on the light side of the roast level spectrum. there aren't specific tasting notes i chase, rather my favorite coffees are either excellent examples of their profile (region, process, varietal) or unique coffees with minimal off-flavors. terroir-focused processing methods are where most of my love lies, but process-forward expressions are fun as a treat and are enjoyed on occasion. some roasters i enjoy: datura, the picky chemist, substance, botz, glitch
Usage: 99% of my brewing experience is pourover (in the early stages of exploring espresso). i primarily brew on conical drippers such as the hario v60 (plastic + ceramic), alpha, and switch using abaca filter papers. water recipe changes, but is on the softer side of things (think holy water or aviary). my brewing ratio is typically 1:17-18 with 12g of input to 200g-215g of output. my primary recipes are 1. a 5x equal pours on a standard conical dripper (high flow rate, 30 seconds in between pours, targetting a 2:30-3:00 total brew time) and 2. a 50/50 hybrid recipe on the switch (switch open: 50% of water weight. at 0:45, close switch and add rest of water. at 1:45, open switch. targetting a 2:45 brew time). one thing to note is that my first brew of any coffee i receive is a full immersion brew (close switch, pour entire water weight, at 2:00 open switch). this serves as a calibration brew of sorts similar to cupping, but more drinkable as regular beverage.
These are medium-high clarity burrs with quite a forgiving nature. extractions can be pushed quite hard without introducing astringency to a large degree. at the same time, i have found the sweet spot of the grinder often be on the coarser side of the usable grind range (4-5 according to 1zpresso, i have found success at 3-5.5). what this means is the hit rate is relatively high on this grinder. this forgivingness comes with a downside: it can be difficult to dial in. within the usable grind range, most of the brews are going to be pretty good and it can be hard to figure out which direction to go. if flavors feel hollow or muted, go coarser. if acid dominates and the finish is super short, go finer. 4.5 seems to be a good starting place on my copy (borrowed from rasami).Brews are high clarity while exhibiting the balance and harmony conical burrs are often associated with. what i mean by this is there is a good degree of flavor separation without an intense emphasis on acid or other characteristics; flavor notes are very clear, but not searingly so. this makes this burr very unique as the highest clarity conical burr i have experienced so far. brews are very enjoyable for those that enjoy high clarity, tea-like body, and balanced flavor presentations. this is not the final word on clarity and there certainly are flat burrs that push even further, but the trade off of the last 5-10% of clarity for a larger grind size sweet spot and harmonious flavor presentation is a reasonable one in my opinion.
One special thing to note is that this burr takes noticeably less effort to manually grind with in comparison to other handgrinder burrs.
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Burr details: 1ZPresso ZP6 Special, bought on 02. November 2022
Preferred flavor profile: I value fruit and floral notes and especially complexity. I like if a coffee is multidimensional, so not just one single note but as you sip it evolves into different notes. Regardless I don't mind chocolate or spicy notes if they work well with the others. But I dislike any clearly burnt or ashy taste even in low amounts. I'm not that sensitive to astringency: I can taste it, but in small amounts it won't ruin the brew for me. I value clarity but ready to sacrifice some of it for additional complexity. I generally like more "traditional" coffees like washed and natural, but I also enjoy more processed ones occasionally.Usage: I only brew manual pour-overs (plus Aromaboy, but that's just travel brewer). I'm mixing my own water for years now from 0 TDS water with added minerals. I usually on the lower end of water comp, I regularly change them, but it's somewhere in the 20 GH / 10 KH - 60 GH / 25 KH range. For grinding I usually hold the grinder in a roughly 30-45° angle.
My main recipes are Lance Hedrick's 2m bloom + 1 high agitation pour, and 4-5 multi-pour recipes. For Pulsar it's PocketScienceCoffee's recipe.I think the general opinion about this grinder is roughly correct. It shines with light roasted beans and it has high clarity among hand grinders. It will highlight any off notes in the beans, be that fermentation or decaf process or darker roast. On some highly processed coffees I had really hard time to dial out the strong "processed note" (I like to use "horseradish" other people call it acetone). But generally the grinder aligns with my taste preference and for those beans it is fantastic. In some way it is cheat mode for acidity: it will ramp up the "gain" on it. It's like "bass boost" for acidity. Which makes a good beginner grinder for light roasts as you cannot really have a bad brew with it if you expect some bright, high acidity brew. It is not the best grinder if you would expect your brews low on acidity. It will find acidity even in "sweeter" beans. Also when comparing with other grinders this elevated acidity feels harsh many times. It is not clear when this your only grinder and/or if your other grinder is lower clarity. But when comparing to things like Kinu POB or Pietro Pro Brew the acidity presentation is just not that pleasant. And I was not able to dial out this without making the brew too watery. This won't make the grinder bad per se, but it is a limitation.
So I generally like it for light roasted beans. I don't think it's only good for washed, it play nicely with funky notes too. But I think it works better with "not artificial" notes. So washed and natural or even regular anaerobic play nice. But when you going into heavy ferment and infused it starts to get problematic. Also you have to be careful to not push decafs too much. In both case usually it helps to go down with ratio and lessen agitation.
Dialing in is easy in the sense that is has a wide "good" range. It's not easy in the sense that as with most high clarity grinder you won't really get into a "bitter" range when going finer. Instead at some point it will just taste muted. Which makes things hard if you start from the already muted point. While when going coarse you need to really go up to get really watery brews. So generally it's best to go coarser than expected and go finer there. I calibrated mine to have 0 at burr lock, and with that I mainly lives around 4.5-5.0 range for 10g doses, and 6.0-6.5 range for 20g doses for the recipes I mentioned above.
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Burr details:48mm 1Zpresso ZP6 - purchased September 2023
Preferred flavor profile: I chase acidity, citrus and berry notes. I really enjoy florals as well. I find a lot of these notes in lightly roasted washed coffees. I avoid funk like the plague.Main roasters: Sey, September, Hydrangea, and now H&S.
Usage: I brew mostly pourover at this point. 18g in, 300 out in ~ 3 min.Water - basically Boston tap, which is quite soft.
The zp6 burr is fantastic burr for a very distinct style of pour over. It offers decent sweetness, nice acidity, and good flavor separation.
Light roast is focus - it will pull out a bitterness in the roast if there is some
Washed coffee - able to highlight those nice notes that are subtler than the flavor bombs that naturals and other processing methods may have. If you brew non-washed, there's a good chance you're going to get a "funk" note. I'd describe this as boozy in a sense, like I've tasted some that remind me of when an IPA feels too boozy if that makes sense.
54mm Ditting steel (flat)
Primarily found in a Vario, hopefully alicorn aligned. Can be installed in a DF54 if the motor is reverse modded.
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Burr details: Ditting 54 - “steelies”
Grinder(s) used: Baratza Vario - Alicorn
Preferred flavor profile: Clean, bright, sweet. Usually washed, sometimes naturals, and funkier stuff.Mostly African, and Colombian
Usage: Slow feed: Filter (v60, d27) espresso (Breville Bambino,w/ dimmer): allonges, sprovers, soup.
These burrs slap.
My favorite burr for modern light roasts for filter and spro.
Mid to higher clarity without roughness, astringency, or being clinical.
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Grinder(s) used: Alicorn-aligned Baratza Vario
Preferred flavor profile: Lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Peachy washed Ethiopia, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, peak acidity Kenyas, fruitier Panama geshas.
Usage: Pourovers across numerous drippers, espresso on Nomad and Breville Dual BoilerA legendary sleeper burr, this is rightfully the first to be brought up as a counterpoint to “bigger burr is better”. It is somewhat hard to know how much of a difference there is between installing it in any old grinder vs. its peak performance accentuated by the Alicorn hyperaligning mod for the Baratza Vario.
It’s best suited as a single solution to someone wanting to do 70/30 or 60/40 split of espresso/filter. Plenty competent at filter, but more optimal at light roast espresso. If I were to compliment it with another grinder, I’d put something like an 1Zpresso ZP6 or Timemore 078 next to it.
I was using Third Wave water diluted to ½ to ⅓, as well as 20/80, 60/90, and 40/40 water for espresso. I don’t have a particular bean pairing preference on this burr, it handles everything I threw at it about equally.
Unlike the neighboring budget clarity SSP 64mm MP, it is more forgiving and easier to get right. On the other hand, the peak intensity is not as high as the MP. Where the MP’s are thin and marked by acidic intensity, the Ditting steels are balanced, meaning it has plenty of flavor intensity but without easily becoming harsh and keeps a bit more texture. If texture is a top priority for darker roasts, use the 54mm ceramic burrs instead.
I easily prefer this burr to the 98mm stock burr in the EK43. It’s a closer call between this and a conical 48mm heptagonal, I think I’d take this by a narrow margin.
58mm Pietro Pro Brew (flat)
Designed by Lance Hedrick.
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Burr details: Pietro pro brew, DLC, purchased Feb 8 '25
Grinder(s) used: Pietro
Preferred flavor profile: I tend to chase herbality and loud acidity like peach, jasmine, lime. I do not tend to like too little body, winey flavors, or overly dominant tea notes.
Usage: I do pour over with a v60, usually a 1 minute bloom with 1-2 pours depending on the beans. I use diluted TWW light.I think that there is a good separation of flavor, sweetness is brought forward, and acidity also can be brought forward depending on brew recipe. I find it forgiving as you're able to push good beans quit far before you begin getting off flavors. I think that this is best for decent to good quality beans, as it will allow you to push good beans extremely far, while not falling over due to roast or processing not being ideal. I find it easy to dial as I can usually just change agitation level to get beans to a state I'm happy with. It will be hard to get a bad cup from good beans with these burrs.
63mm Mazzer Robur (conical)
As seen in the Niche Zero
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64mm AliExpress MP-ish (flat)
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Burr details: Aliexpress MP's
Grinder(s) used: Acaia Orbit
Preferred flavor profile: Clean, crisp, bizarre, and fruits off the charts. I really want a clear flavor separation and distinct flavors. I'm not a fan of dryness or nutty flavors.
Usage: SWORKS dripper for all my pour overs and random profiles on a DE1/Gaggiuino or just going ham with the lever on my Argos.We continuously talk about the bean, the processing, and the farmers, but we don't really talk much about how different roasters can interpret the same green. Two roasters can buy the same lot and nearly make two different coffees, nearly. The community as a whole doesn't have a firm understanding how how different roasting profiles can change the bean and I'd love for you or just anyone else with a platform to start talking about this the same way we talk about burr profiles.
64mm Fellow Ode gen2 (flat)
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Grinder(s) used: Ode Gen 1 and Ode Gen 2
Preferred flavor profile: Loud acidity, structure, flavor separation, the juice
Usage: Pourover
These are fantastic all around burrs that give you good enough flavor separation on light roasts and the intensity, juice, and dynamics enthusiasts chase after. I really like the rounding and sweetness from these burrs and when pushing for high extractions these burrs hold up. I often find with other 64mm burrs when you try to push coffees hard you end up hitting a wall of astringency and pain (64mm SSP MP) whereas these burrs are quite forgiving and round things out. There's a ton of juice in these burrs and lots of good acidity and they bring out the main component of whatever coffee you're brewing. These are $80 burrs btw
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Grinder(s) used: Mazzer Super Jolly, Fellow Ode gen 1, JT64
Preferred flavor profile: Lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Peachy washed Ethiopia, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, peak acidity Kenyas, fruitier Panama geshas.
Usage: Pourovers across numerous drippers.The entry level standard for a filter burr. Especially with price considered, it’s very hard to suggest a ~$200 hand grinder for filter duty over the convenience and performance of installing this in a cheap, used, Fellow Ode gen 1.
Plenty of “clarity” available. There is strong peak acidic presentation (if you’re not getting this, revisit your water mineral composition), and some amount of flavor separation is present. I’d use it for any type of light and medium roast bean.
When enthusiasts first hear that clarity is a quality to pursue in light roasts, I think this is the filter burr they should be going for rather than the SSP 64mm MP. This burr is more forgiving and easier to get right to quickly get to a higher standard of execution without being punished for variables that might be overlooked (e.g. water mineral composition).
I evaluated this burr next to SSP 64mm Cast Lab Sweet v1 and 80mm Ditting Lab Sweet. The Ode v2 and 64 Cast are closer to eachother than they are different. When pushed to higher extractions (~1:18), the Ode v2 is the first to show weaknesses not detectable at more common ratios.
Because the burr is produced by Fellow and naturally in the Ode, it seems to be fixed to that burr-grinder pairing. This doesn’t have to be the case. If you are looking for a solid filter burr, especially at a budget, don’t hesitate to consider this burr in a DF64 or other 64mm grinder.
64mm LeBrew HyperBurr Filter (flat)
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Burr details: Lebrew HyperBurr Filter
Grinder(s) used: Ode Gen1
Preferred flavor profile: Prefer intense coffees with interesting acidity (Hydrangea El Velo, CGLE SL34)
Usage: Pourover w/Colum or Sworks. Slow feed and blind shaker, sometimes with melodrip lift. Using empirical water glacial mix.Typically look for flavor intensity and separation first with interesting acidity. When leaning into sweeter coffees will use the Lebrew + Sworks, for more acidity use the ZP6 + Colum. Lebrew/sworks tends to be more forgiving but I find the cups are usually not as interesting / does not produce as clear of separation.
64mm LeBrew HyperBurr Sweet (flat)
64mm Option-O Mizen (flat)
There are two revisions. The later update (2024 onwards?)has a rougher, bead-blasted finish is espresso optimized.
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Burr details: Mizen 64OM, purchased/installed roughly Aug '24
Grinder(s) used: Sculptor 64s
Preferred flavor profile: berry flavors (blueberries, jam, strawberry, etc.) and yellow fruit (mango) for pour overs, and a mildly nutty cocoa for espresso (I typically like natural Brazilian beans)
Usage: pour over and espresso, basic water filter for pour over and light roast third wave water for espresso in distilled water. no major quirks besides experimenting with a blind shaker.
i think the lagom burrs in the sculptor are pretty forgiving and is rounder without losing the 'peak' of the sculptor burrs, especially for pour over. they have worked been fantastic compared to my first hand grinder and then the sculptor with original burrs. the acidity is a touch less overly aggressive when going too tight, and they are a a notch sweeter tasting to me now after some months.
64mm SSP Cast / Lab Sweet LS (flat)
There are several revisions. v1 and v2 were due to fitment and compatibility with certain grinder burr carriers. v3 is optimized for espresso.
Pic provided by onepieceeee, europa
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Burr details: SSP Cast V3/LSv3, Red Speed, early 2025
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1
Preferred flavor profile: Preference toward sweetness over ultra-clarity/acidity, prefer some body. Espresso is mostly med-light to med, though I do drink absolute coal (read: Saka) from time to time. Lately been really enjoying Lazy Schnauzer Yemen Mocha Peaberry as espresso for its ability to make milk drinks taste like spice cake and figs.
Usage: V60 (5 equal pour most often), trad espresso (~1:2-1:3, spring lever or flat pump profile). Minimum of fuss.
The Cast V3 is probably the best "all-rounder" burr in the 64mm space. It's quite capable of making sweet, easy to drink filter and rounded, balanced espresso. It definitely is not the last word on flavor clarity, but it's certainly good enough for my purposes. Like the Cast V2, they do not emphasize acidity and flavor notes in the same sharp way that e.g. SSP 64MP does. Rather, they present it in a more rounded, approachable manner - certainly better if your coffee has some roast development or heavier processing. I find it is easier to push these too hard with regard to extraction vs something like MPs, but even the pushed cups are drinkable. They develop a bitterness that is unpleasant if you push too high a ratio on espresso or grind too fine for filter. Texture is quite a bit more forward than the MP.
Versus SSP 64HU, these are firstly miles better for filter, but the body is not as thick and heavy for espresso. If you are after texture and body first and don't care for filter, go for HUs. If you want a burr you don't have to swap for another in case you decide you want filter coffee one day and espresso the next, these work very well.
Probably the most similar burr is the Option-O 64 Mizen Omni. They largely behave about the same in most regards, which is to say "competent at everything, not a one-trick burr".
Note, these burrs take a pretty sizeable amount of coffee through them to settle and dial will be weird as hell for the first couple of kilos if you don't season them.
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Burr details: SSP Cast Lab Sweet Silver Knight
Grinder(s) used: DF64V
Preferred flavor profile:
Flavor preferences:
Juiciness, bright and crisp acidity. Some sweetness is OK. Generally I don't like funk, but "clean" processed coffees are welcome. I occasionally find a good co-ferment that I like, but it's rare. I hate bitterness in the cup.Flavor notes:
Apple juice, blueberry, lychee, and white peach. White peach prob my favorite flavor note.Favorite roasters:
Archers, Moonwake, September, HydrangeaFavorite recent offerings:
Peru El Palto & El Pino from Exposure Therapy, Panama Altieri CHOMBI from Archers, Watermelon co-Ferment from hydrangea
Usage: I brew pourover 90% of the timeI use Al Ain Bottled Water mainly, but recently switched to Lotus Water w/ZW, I use a custom Holy Water recipe (62/23 GH/KH)
I like this burrset and bought it with my DF64V as I was getting bored with my SSP MP and wanted a different profile for my pourovers. This is a well-rounded burrset that can handle light and medium roasts with varying processes. If I were to put a number to flavor intensity, separation, linger, sweetness, acidity I'd rate those 3/5. While more sweet than SSP MP, however I'd still describe this burrset as acid-forward, and has that "SSP acid sharpness" that is great with some coffees but unpleasant with others. It is quite forgiving but struggles with grind sizes on the finer end where you are hit with astringency and harsh acidity. When dialed in right, the cup is smooth, sweet, and has a nice acidity.
Dialing considerations: I'd say stick with recipes that work with "medium" grind sizes, and less pours (2-4 pours). Do not extract high with this burrset.
Comparison with other grinders/burrsets:
ZP6 - I prefer ZP6. The casts do not provide enough "depth of flavor" and crisp acidity that I like.
SSP MP - For espresso I prefer MPs, for pourover I prefer Cast. MPs for pourover were too boring for me
Kplus - About equal preference.
Considerations: Make sure to season this burr 6kg or even 10kg+. Pre-seasoning the acidity was very harsh and I couldn't enjoy the burrset.
Verdict: While I like this burrset, it never provided me with a cup that was 5/5, but for most brews I was getting 3/5 cups pretty consistently. I'd say it's a good all-rounder burrset, but for my tasting preferences I still prefer the ZP6 to this date. -
Burr details:64mm LeBrew Sweet
Grinder(s) used: Acaia Orbit
Preferred flavor profile: Sweet, balance, no acidity
Usage:EspressoForgiveness
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Burr details: 64mm SSP Cast V2, Silver Knight, Blind, 2024.04.02
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1
Preferred flavor profile: Funk-forward naturals, sometimes heavily processed beans. Prefer sweetness, body, funk. Don't mind acidity. Not too fond of tea-like body and florals. Mostly from S&W and Banibeans, with a splash of DAK.Usage: Espresso: blooming spros and allongés on the Bianca
Pourover: 15:250 and 12:200 on the V60, Switch, and Orea v3
I switch burrs frequently but I land on MP and CV2 90% of the time, as I prefer funk-forward beans with some level of blendiness. Sometimes funk and processed beans tend to taste overwhelming or metallic with the Unimodal Brew burrs. Lab Sweet / Cast give a decent separation and acidity with plenty of sweetness and a good body. Less prone to astringency than MP in pourover but more finicky to dial-in for espresso, as the puck seems to degrade very quickly after hitting 6-9 bar.
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Burr details: 64mm Lab sweet v3 red speed
Grinder(s) used: Df64v
Preferred flavor profile: Berry like notes , floral , citrus , tangerine , lime. Roasters are like sey, oma coffee roasters, weekenders coffee, apollons gold , friedhats, dak.Usage: Sworks 4 pour 1:16 . V60 with sibarist booster and abaca or t90 paper. 3 pour 1:16 . Use distilled water with own minerals meant for floral coffees.
Good clarity, sweetness is elevated. Can feel a bit more blendy compared to ssp hu which has better flavour separation. More balanced. Very forgiving , not so astringent when dialed in wrong . Beans wise can be for filter coffee more of craving for sweetness wise . Can be used for espresso tool well, do not require to go to burr chirp . Good range for dial in for filter and espresso as long aligned well.
64mm SSP High Uniformity (flat)
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Burr details:64mm SSP High Uniformity, Red Speed, Blind, 2024.04.02
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1
Preferred flavor profile: Comfort / espresso blends, nuts and chocolate notes. Friedhats Espresso Blend, Squaremile Red Brick and Sweetshop, robusta blends (Saka, Kimbo, Danesi, etc).Usage: Espresso only: traditional / boomer shots, 1:1 to 1:2.5
Rarely use the SSP HU burrs because I have a Niche Zero on the bar and it's too much faff to switch in the HUs for the rare goopy trad shot. I'd rather trade some separation and clarity for QoL. I sometimes switch to HUs when I feel I'm on a spro-only stint and I know I won't be having filter. Love using HUs for comfort blends.
64mm SSP Multi-purpose (flat)
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Burr details: SSP 64MP
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1, Fellow Ode
Preferred flavor profile: Preference toward sweetness over clarity. Beans light to med, generally not super process-heavy.Usage: filter, espresso
Short version: If you drink light roast washed coffees, these are the burrs for you. If you drink almost anything else, they are not it. They are very, very clear and will show any sort of off flavor or roasty flavors very obviously. On the up shot, they are excellent filter burrs in most respects, very hard to push them too hard.
With espresso, though? They're hard to push too hard with light roasts, but once you do, it's pretty damn near undrinkable. They get astringent in a hurry.
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Burr details: SSP 64MP
Grinder(s) used: Ode Gen 2, P64, DF64 gen 2
Preferred flavor profile: Exposure and Vibrance
Usage: Experimental Espresso and Brew profiles with low buffer waterAn unbalanced burr exposing early extractable acidity and potentially unpleasant flavors too early to allow for full flavor expression. Can be very bright, but has very few tasty zones and can easily miss flavors due to early extraction of bitter or drying compounds
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Burr details: SSP 64mm Multi-purpose red speed, purchased 5/2021
Grinder(s) used: Mazzer Super Jolly, JT64, DF64
Preferred flavor profile: Lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Peachy washed Ethiopia, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, peak acidity Kenyas, fruitier Panama geshas.
Usage: This is by far the most divisive burrset I’ve encountered in the enthusiast community. The promise of high clarity at a decent price is true. In practice it often disappoints due to overpromising for too many contexts while overdelivering in a way that requires strong, generalized fundamentals to tame in the dialing. This sounds straightforward, but is as good as your weakest link. It’s demanding on beans, and exposes flaws in roasts unpleasantly. If your water mineral composition is not suited to the brew method and changed between filter vs. espresso, the brew will suffer.If you grind too fine or too coarse, it may present astringent or hollow, which is complicated by its varying performance influenced by the grinder system it is installed in. There are so many 64mm grinder housings, and they are not all made equal. In a springy burr carrier like the DF64, the flex under load may yield different results than in a Zerno or P64. In my experience, the MP is more sensitive to these differences than other 64mm burrs.
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Burr details: SSP 64mm MP red speed
Grinder(s) used: Fellow Ode V1
Preferred flavor profile: Clarity> Sweetness > Body. In that order. I love clean acidity and fruitiness. I don't hate funky coffees, but I don't prefer it.
Usage: Pourover. Samo-bloom (always) and blind shake (Some times). The shaking always makes a difference.
It has a great sweetness presentation, BIG body, and decent clarity when dialed right. Some coffees lose a lot of body and intensity to achieve clarity.It has a cool thing where it can present pleasant bitterness in some coffees when I go fine, and these cups tend to be full, intense, and balanced... maybe not the clearest.
It feels like I need to be very gentle when brewing in general or Melodrip.
I suffered through lots of bitter brews until I learned how to dial these burrs.
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Burr details: SSP 64 Brew, 2024, Silver
Grinder(s) used: Zerno
Preferred flavor profile: Extremely light washed coffee is typical go-to. Mix of florals and acidity.
Appreciate the SSP presentation in pour overs more than espresso, especially from 64 Brews. Feel like brews usually give a pretty good balance with extremely light roasts where the acidity can be a little more muted. I used 40/20 water and default to ~92C temp water to start dialing. I find the MPV1 in Zerno to be a little more "finesy" than other grinders without a prebreaker and require a decently course grind. -
Burr details: SSP 64mm multi purpose red speed. From 2021
Grinder(s) used: Lagom P64, both a pre-22 version (from 2019) and the newer model from 2022
Preferred flavor profile: I like light roasted coffees with complex acidity and aroma. Strong preference for traditionally processed washed coffees. My favorite coffee all time is a washed Ethiopian. I dislike most natural process coffees and avoid anything that sounds funky. I can appreciate a thermal shock but would not be a daily drinker.
I don’t mind dialing around some roastiness if there are good things in a coffee. Most developed end of what I drink is Tim Wendelboe and Hydrangea as of 2025. I have found a few roasts from H&S, September and MinMax to be too light for me (too low acidity and peanut/oat flavors) but enjoy most light/ultra-light coffees from those roasters.
Acidity is very important to me and I have a difficult time enjoying a coffee if the acidity is simple, monotone, or just too low intensity.Usage: For a few years now my daily driver is the “soup” shot: Extremely coarse grind, gentle soaking of the puck, and fast flow after the puck saturates with pressure below 1 bar. Flow time around 10s. Results in a filter-like cup with intense acidity. See “the soup kitchen” thread pins in EAF under “profiling” for a walkthrough. Usual ratio is 1:2.5 and my water is dialed to this ratio with 64MP, 15 GH 70 KH. I have dialed in to longe ratios with lower buffer. In the past I also did lever PSPH shots with the same water composition and ratio, within more normal turbo shot parameters (6 bar peak, 15-20s)"
For me a few things stand out for 64 MP burrs:They are odd burrs in terms of both dial in and behavior. Would certainly not recommend them as a first burr to anyone
They are very sensitive to seasoning, and what you taste out of them especially within the first few pounds is very different than the rest of their lifetime
I don’t love them on filter, but don’t have trouble dialing them in. They would not be my preference if I made filter daily. They have a very “edgy” presentation, leaning bitter too easily.
For espresso, they bring a lot to the table for this burr size: High intensity and a very acid forward presentation. Able to pull light roasts at 1:2.5 with balance. Can handle/tastes better with lower temperatures for espresso, making temperature management easier on a manual machine.
Downsides in the cup: Any negative flavors seem to be amplified. Roastiness, woodiness, funk (rotten fruit, dirt, vomit, etc) all stick out like a sore thumb compared to other burrsets. Certainly not a burrset for people who like anaerobic coffees and coferments. Those funky flavors can be dialed down but it’s a challenge, much easier to run those kinds of coffees through another grinder.
Going further into dial in and flavor:On espresso, these burrs are very sensitive to how you soak the puck. Doing it too aggressively or too slow can produce a very astringent cup. Doing this with a more traditional (e.g conical) burr is much more forgiving, so if switching to these burrs you might find your old recipe just does not taste good. This is certainly a bigger challenge with pump machines with fixed profiles.
Even with blendier profiles (such as a dynamic bloom where you slam the puck to start with) these burrs manage to bring clarity into the cup. I suspect a lot of people like them for this property; the coffees will taste more distinctly like the beans you’re using if pulling (and less generic) with a more traditional or less flexible profile.
When used in a high clarity profile like Soup, these burrs are way more intense than other burrs at the 64mm range, and many others. If SSP Cast v2 has 3/10 acidity intensity for a coffee, 64MP is at 9/10. (And the 64 brew burrs I tried are at 10/10). The difference is quite shocking to me, and very enjoyable.
In general I don’t find there to be a “clarity” difference between this burr and others when dialed in to preference. There are certainly burrs out there that make it too easy to blend things, for example Lagom mini obsidians. With this burr when dialed, I just get a much more intense result with a very acid forward presentation. “Intense” as in someone turned the volume up, the flavors just jump out, I don’t have to search for them in the cup.
Some of my best shots greet me with an intense aroma, a bunch of the sweetness-related flavors hit my tongue, and then in the finish I get punched by complex and intense acidity, which leaves behind a long and clean aftertaste.
I have used these burrs daily for over two years and I don’t have much FOMO for anything else. I have tasted 80mm ULF which was interesting and seemed to have more intense sweetness while presenting acidity similarly to 64MP, so that’s one burr I’d like to try out long term to see if it’s a strict improvement over the MPs. Otherwise, I keep a Lagom mini with moonshines next to it to handle coffees that have a few aspects I dislike so that those negatives are less apparent when I pull them.
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Burr details: 64mm SSP Multipurpose, Red Speed, Blind, 2024.04.02
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1
Preferred flavor profile: Funk-forward naturals, sometimes heavily processed beans. Prefer sweetness, body, funk. Don't mind acidity. Not too fond of tea-like body and florals. Mostly from S&W and Banibeans, with a splash of DAK.Usage: Espresso: blooming spros and allongés on the Bianca
Pourover: 15:250 and 12:200 on the V60, Switch, and Orea v3
I switch burrs frequently but I land on MP and CV2 90% of the time, as I prefer funk-forward beans with some level of blendiness. Sometimes funk and processed beans tend to taste overwhelming or metallic with the Unimodal Brew burrs. Lab Sweet / Cast give a decent separation and acidity with plenty of sweetness and a good body. Less prone to astringency than MP in pourover but more finicky to dial-in for espresso, as the puck seems to degrade very quickly after hitting 6-9 bar.
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Burr details: 64mm SSP Multipurpose Red Speed
Grinder(s) used: DF 64 Gen 1, Ode Gen 1
Preferred flavor profile: Flavours: Clean, Layered, Expressive, Floral, Tropical, Tea like. Roasters: Subtext, Hydrangea, September, Coffea Circulor, Momos, Leaves.Usage: Usage: v60 mostly, use aquacode diluted to 40-50ppm, often use both coarse grind and high kettle agitation and Melo drip depending. I used these burrs for two years everyday on a gen 1 DF64. I would typically slow feed the beans, which worked well for reducing fines production from my testing. I've since been using it in a gen 1 ode for the past several months after selling my DF 64 and find similar results albeit "slightly" more fines and a little more rounded presentation than i had on the DF with slow feeding.
Attacking, bright, crisp, up front acidity paired with a tea like body and swift drop off define these burrs for me. These burrs offer high clarity and clear flavour separation. It took me about a year to learn how to enjoy these burrs. I spent the first year battling astringency on many cups and realized the beauty of these burrs comes from what i would consider to be coarse grind settings (setting ~70 of DF, setting ~ 8.1 Ode gen 1) and faster brew times (2:30-3:00). At their best, these burrs show off all of what a coffee has to offer, the good, the bad, and the ugly. I have found these burrs helped shape my preference for various roasters over the years, being drawn to more lightlty roasted coffee that presented more enjoyably with these burrs.
Recently, having been using the 078 burrs, i'm finding my interest in these burrs fade, though not vanish. There are days where i crave tea like brews, sharp acidity, and low linger, and the MPs are still my go to. There are instances where i have a more highly processed coffee and the 078 intensity becomes unpleasant and the MPs are able to present the coffees in a more enjoyable way. The MPs were my gateway drug for exploring filter coffee and the MPs are a hellovadrug.
64mm SSP Unimodal v1, a.k.a. Brew (flat)
Originally labeled unimodal, it became rebadged as the Multi-purpose (MP) with a finishing flat revision. Due to enthusiast demand, the original version was brought back as Brew. Though similar, they will be tracked separately here.
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Burr details: SSP 64mm UMv1: purchased from SSP in April 2023
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1, DF64
Preferred flavor profile: I'd rather taste grass than roast. Looking for the lightest possible roast that still hold structure and complexity without hitting roast flavors even with fast flowing espresso. That usually ends up with washed coffees with some naturals presenting okay. If it's a natural, it needs to be light AF.Usage:Tend to brew coarse grinder + longer tbt + high agitation OR finer grinds and zero agitation
These burrs are not very forgiving imo. Highs can be very high but often are rare finds. I think these burrs do a much better job with a prebreaker like in the z1 and they present good intensity. I think they do a better job with naturals on filter than washed as they dial back funk and can hind some nuances in washed coffees. High flow ultralight roast washed coffees espresso does not get any better than these burrs.
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Burr details: 64mm SSP Unimodal Brew, Silver Knight, Blind, 2024.12.13
Grinder(s) used: Zerno Z1
Preferred flavor profile: Floral, citrus, tea-like, where the processing is not overpowering on its own (as opposed to the funk-forward beans I tend to prefer). Washed by TPC, Rose, Coffee Collective, SEYUsage: Slow feed auger on the Z1
Pourover: mainly 15:240 with a V60; Abaca / T90 filters
Espresso: rare, but turbos and soup are enjoyable
I usually switch in the Brews when I'm opening a washed bag, and end up leaving them in until I hit something that is either way too funky and it starts tasting like chewing on silverware, or too roasty. Can overextract in a strange way, hard to describe, without resulting bitter or astringent, just too intense. Hard to mess up at a wide range of grind sizes, decent cups with little effort, with some memorable excellent brews when stars align. Much more forgiving than MP.
71mm Kafatek Shurikone (conical)
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Burr details: 71mm Shurikone
Grinder(s) used: Monolith MC4/MC5/MC6
Preferred flavor profile: Bright, juicy, acidity forward, structured, sweet, etc.
Usage: Espresso
These are honestly the best conical burrs we've ever tasted. They excel in all roasts levels, processing, and even modern styles of espresso. Probably the largest sweetspot in espresso. You can get mega clarity WITH high levels body in light roast coffees. If you have dark roast it minimizes the bitterness and harshness while boosting sweetness. These burrs are really clean and easy to use. You can pull long ratio shots, various flowrates, even shots that are way too slow and things will still taste good. If you are an espresso drinker and you want something that works for every type of coffee and style of espresso get these. -
Grinder(s) used: Kafatek MC4, Helor 106
Preferred flavor profile: Lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Peachy washed Ethiopia, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, peak acidity Kenyas, fruitier Panama geshas.
Usage: Espresso on Nomad, Breville Dual Boiler. Pourover on V60.This is one of the better burrs for all-around balance, especially for a wide range of espresso across roast levels. From its performance, it is better than numerous flat burrs at the qualities which flat burrs are supposed to be better than conicals.
When I think about high-performing burrs across all aspects and bean types, this is one that comes to mind alongside Weber Workshops 80mm Core, Bentwood 63mm, 48mm heptagonal conicals, Ditting 54mm Steel, Kafatek 98mm SLM, and Option-O 64 and 102mm OM Mizen. None of these are the best at anything, but all forgiving to dial in and across roast levels; very easy to suggest without deep-diving into your specific needs you may or may not have locked in on. Even when you do, these burrs could easily remain your final answer.
I wouldn’t consider this an analytical burr if your goal is to dissect and pick apart the roast and green qualities. The flavors are blended and presented with sufficient peak intensity, but not as much as more specialized bursts. For pourover I’d suggest it more for funky, natural beans rather than delicate, washed ultra-light roast beans.
For traditional espresso for medium beans and lighter, this burr is highly suggestible. I ended up around 40/80 GH/KH as my preferred water on this burr, adjusted for the bean type. If you are chasing maximum acidity on espresso, I’d select not only another burr, but a non-traditional approach to espresso altogether with longer ratios and faster flow rate.
In a Helor 106, its usability is silly, strictly not recommended. The stock Mazzer burr is laser engraved to provide markings which this does not have, so there is no useful way to understand your grind setting. Due to stuck shards, the entire burr needs to be removed to adjust the grind finer. Even with a drill, the grind is exceptionally slow for filter, let alone espresso. A 10g dose for filter takes around 2-3min. Because there is no pre breaking upper pancake burr like in the MC4, all of the early crushing stage is being handled by a burr geometry that isn’t optimized for the job. It also reportedly fits in an original Weber Workshops HG-1 (without a numbered dial) which was 71mm before the 83mm revision. There seem to be a couple other motorized 71mm conical grinders with the stock Mazzers this could fit in. I think the limiting factor is the addition of the pre-breaking pancake burr.
74mm Eureka Mythos (flat)
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Burr details: VA/NS/Eureka Mythos 74, "Diamond Inside" treatment
Grinder(s) used: Eureka Atom 75
Preferred flavor profile: Preference toward sweetness vs clarity and brightness.
Usage: Espresso, trad ratios
This is, arguably, the best traditional espresso flat burr. Roughly in the same ballpark as the SSP 64HU, these have quite a bit of body and a big round sweetness. Certainly not the last word in flavor clarity but far from the worst out there, either. Too clear for true dark roasts, but not balanced with super light roasts either. Tends to bring out darker notes in coffees, though with enough acidity to be balanced.
I would say these work best with medium roasts in a traditional espresso paradigm - if your main coffee is a George Howell or Counter Culture medium, these will be right up your alley. If you're drinking Hydrangea or Minmax filter roast single origins or Saka, go elsewhere.
Also to note, these grind very, very fast - they have the same ID as 64mm flats, but 10mm larger OD, and as such have very similar cutting surface area to 83mm Mazzer-pattern burrs.
78mm LeBrew HyberBurr Filter (flat)
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Burr details: LeBrew Hyperburr 78mm Filter, version unknown, date of purchase 14.01.2025
Grinder(s) used: Timemore Sculptor 078s
Preferred flavor profile: Preference: Balance, mild taste, fruity, open and complexAnti-preference: Aggressive acidity (like vinegary natural), mushroom (I tried a koji-fermentation once), sweetness that has a syrupy texture to it, yeast-taste (from extreme ferments)
Usage:Pourover and espresso, I use "pure coffee water" which is sold in EUPulsar recipe:
14-17g, 250ml, 88°C
Coarse grind, e.g. Pietro 8.5, ZP6 5.5, Sculptor 078s 18 slow feed
Bloom 50g, valve closed, "turbulent pour", wait 25s
open valve, pour as fast as possible up to 150ml, after that close valve and tap brewer with the index fingers on the left and right side 3-4 times to even the bed., after that, if drawdown is too fast, set valve to slower drawdown. wait till 1:15 and then close valve.
Now pour circular as slow as possible up to 250ml, then open valve and let drain.
Espresso recipe is different for every coffee... I'm trying to experiment with a "double steep" profile (Maro Model 1).
Most importantly IMO, LeBrew burrs needed zero seasoning for me, whereas I was only happy with 078s burrs after ~7kg and even better after 10kg. Before that the extractions often had a sharp taste.
I used a 1nm torque wrench from wera to screw in the 8 screws and there was zero aligning needed. Everything worked out of the box.
Visually the burrs look flawless, no chipping etc. anywhere, my 078s burrs already have quite a few nicks.
Espresso tastes more balanced, less aggressive acidity.
Filter is good, I like it better than zp6, because it tastes a bit more "open", but not as good as Pietro, which is even more "open". Clarity is very good. Which means I still didn't like the mushroom coffee.
78mm Timemore 078 Turbo (flat/ghost)
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Burr details: Timemore 078 Turbo
Grinder(s) used: 078/078S
Preferred flavor profile: Acidity, juiciness, structure, sweetness, all the good things
Usage: PouroverExtremely balanced and clear profile with lots of intensity. Very neutral presentation but high clarity and intensity of every flavor note. You can push coffees very hard without hitting astringency or any weird harshness. Very good body and sweetness, but not coloring in any sort of way. Really great for clean/washed coffee only use for funkier coffees if they are cleaner processed. It exposes a fair bit of your chain (brewing, coffee, water, technique, etc.) but gives you super high clarity at a low price. You really don't get anything better until 2k for this style of coffee.
ZP6 profile but better and more intense. Same profile but everything is turned up another 20-30%.
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Burr details: 078
Grinder(s) used: 078
Preferred flavor profile: I like delicate washed coffees. I enjoy florals and complexity, but highly value sweetness and cleanliness. I dont enjoy funk for the most part.
Usage: Pour over. Hamidiye gold bottled water.I want to start out by saying that I’ve experienced a really significant difference at min/max rpm on the 078. This goes contrary to many coffee influencers, so take that how you will. Min rpm has a lot more body, less note intensity, more mellowed and sweeter. Nice sweet linger too. If I think a bean is too intense or funky, I will lower the rpm, otherwise I always grind at max rpm.
As for max rpm, brews are really clean and have nice intense notes. Not necessarily the highest amount of layering, but the layers which are presented are crystal clear and intense. The body gets super thin and as close to “tea-like” as it gets. The linger is complex and long lasting. Sweetness and acidity are presented together and in a pleasant way. Overall I think these burrs are great for presenting decent coffees in the best way possible, but for exceptional coffees occasionally a more layered burr can give more interesting cups.
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Burr details: Timemore 078
Grinder(s) used: Timemore 078
Preferred flavor profile: Flavours: Clean, Layered, Expressive, Floral, Tropical, Tea like. Roasters: Subtext, Hydrangea, September, Coffea Circulor, Momos, Leaves.Usage: V60 mostly, use aquacode diluted to 50ppm, use both high kettle agitation and Melo drip depending. I typically slow feed, use lower rpm for higher clarity and more clinical and increase rpm for more complexity and interesting brews depending on what I'm looking for.
Intense mid note punch is the highlight of these burrs for me. There is high amounts of clarity and flavour separation, with moderate linger. Brews tend to lean on the tea like side from this burr, greater body and less tea like than 64mp for me, but still lean on the light to moderate body for me. There is an added depth of flavour notes compared to 64mp and these burrs tend to highlight slightly darker fruit characteristics, think blood orange compared to navel orange from the 64mp.
These are forgiving burrs with a wide ranging sweet spot, they will present astringency when pushed too hard. I love washed coffees in these burrs and cleaner naturals and processed coffees, these coffees punish less clean process as that mid note punch and intensity from these burrs can become fully the notes of process on some coffees and I prefer the 64mp in some cases because of this.
For about 85% of coffee I've been drinking these are my preferred burr over my 64mps. The best of these burrs have come from really clean naturals where the mid notes encompass the fruit notes and the layered high clarity presentation of these burrs allows for florals to present with the fruit notes simultaneously. Also, the added linger on these burrs means that when you get a coffee right, you get to enjoy for much longer than the steeper drop off from the 64mps. I'm a big fan and will be keeping these around for the foreseeable future.
78mm Timemore 078S (flat)
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Burr details: Timemore 078s stock burrs
Grinder(s) used: Timemore 078s stock burrs
Preferred flavor profile: In general, I prefer medium roasts with some degree of stonefruit or red fruit forward flavors, some nuttiness or caramel notes for milk based drinks, and fruit forward light roast espresso with bold sweetness. For the timemore 078s burrs, I primarily used this with medium roast beans for milk drinks, with light duty for light roast espresso. Most of the beans I used were blends from Verve, Onyx, and S&W. When I drink light roasts I like Hydrangea, September (standard subscription), and sometimes dabble with Manhattan, Sey, and H&S, but when drinking these lighter and ultralight roasts, I typically would use other grinders and burrs than the 078s, grinders that would accentuate the clarity of the beans better in my opinion.Usage: With these burrs, exclusively espresso. Water was typically half dose TWW espresso blend on a flat 9 bar espresso machine.
I primarily used these burrs with medium roasts for milk drinks. The 078s burrs I think are a solid middle of the road burrset for nice body, gives some of the characteristics of the beans the ability to punch through slightly in milk while still being a thicker, sweet shot. They do straddle full blendy traditional burrs and more clarity focused modern burrs. I think they are a nice jack of all trades, but as such they aren't really a master of any shot and you won't get quite as many wow/god shots, they are just a solid middle of the road burrset.
In the 078s grinder, after seasoning, with a blind shaker workflow and some gentle top layer puck raking, I actually have had some of the most consistent shot to shot pulls of any burr/grinder combo I have used thus far. I attribute this likely to the bigger burrs handling back to back shots with less heating than the 64 mm counterparts I have tried before. I think it's therefore great for making drinks on weekends for the family/friends. For light roasts, the burrs do have a slightly punchier acidity presentation but are certainly more blendy/less clarity than a SSP MP, but more body. They have descent sweetness as well with light roasts.
80mm SSP High Uniformity (flat)
80mm SSP x Weber Workshops Lab Sweet (flat)
80mm Weber Workshops Base (flat)
Discontinued. Pics from BigHatFannyPack.
80mm Weber Workshops Core (flat)
Current stock burr included with the EG-1
80mm Weber Workshops Ultra (flat)
Produced by SSP. For holed mounting, the 80HU is supposedly the same.
83mm SSP High uniformity (flat)
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Burr details: Ssp 83mm high uniformity
Grinder(s) used: Df83
Preferred flavor profile: Chase more floral , berry notes , citrus, tangerine. Some roasters like sey, oma coffee roasters, dak, friedhats, september coffee.Usage: Pour over using sworks , 4 pours 1:16 and v60 with sibarist booster 1:16 3 pour. Do a lot of turbo 1:5 and 1:3 for light roast and sometimes 1:2 for medium roast
Has good clarity , a lot of flavour separation. Good acidity , but also depends how you do for pour over, close to bed and like fast flow rate etc. Sweet but not as sweet as lab sweet. Not so forgiving if dialed in wrong , can have slight astrigency.
83mm Brew DLC (flat)
A stock option on the DF83V
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Burr details: 83mm DLC Brew
Grinder(s) used: DF83V
Preferred flavor profile: Preferred flavor profile: Flavours: Clean, Layered, Expressive, Floral, Tropical, Tea like. Roasters: Subtext, Hydrangea, September, Coffea Circulor, Momos, Leaves.Usage: Usage: V60 mostly, use aquacode diluted to 50ppm, use both high kettle agitation and Melo drip depending. I typically slow feed, use lower rpm for higher clarity and more clinical and increase rpm for more complexity and interesting brews depending on what I'm looking for.
Burr Review: A high clarity flat EQ burr. These burrs have produced brews that are clear, low body, tea like, good acidity presentation. These burrs feel they have a flatter EQ compared to 078 turbo and 64mm MP and lead to what i would consider more analytical and at times less exciting for me. Given this, I feel these burrs could do a great job for cupping and QC.
Compared to the 078, I find these burrs have similar clarity, slightly more flavour separation, less depth of flavour, and less fullness of flavour notes, lower body, and less linger. 83 DLC brew presented bumped acidity on the tip of your tongue and produced less sweet and less harmonious brews compared to 078.
Compared to 64MP, the 83 DLC Brew presented slightly darker acidity notes in the cup, meaning it avoids the characteristic crisp and bright SSP profile. The 83 DLC brew compared to 64MP presented more layered, less peak, and more body . For me these burrs presented a closer profile to the 64MP compared to 078. I found myself preferring the depth of notes that were presented from the 83mm DLC brew on different occasions compared to the 64MP. Both burrs can be pushed into astringency zone, though 83mm DLC is more forgiving.
All in all a great burr for filter and at 1/3 the price of SSP is a solid bang for buck. If I had these burrs on their own I wouldn't be thinking too much about what I was missing.
90mm Fuji Royal (ghost)
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Burr details: Fuji royal R-440 stock 90mm ghost
Grinder(s) used: Fuji R440
Preferred flavor profile: While I prefer clean coffees I do also like to expirement with devoloped roasts and highly processed coffees which is what these burrs are for. Wilton Benitez stuff roasted by Moonwake is my favorite Hydrangea's more processed offerings are also up there. Rogue wave, brandywine, Friedhats funky coffees are also good but getting close to too funky. I want funky coffees to taste like hi-chewsUsage: Slow feed for funky light roasts but not for mediums and darks on this grinder. I like to use Matt Winton 5 pour on funky beans on v60 for funky coffee and I enjoy osmotic flow for mediums and medium-dark. I dont drink oily dark roast.
90mm R440 ghost burrs are my favorite burrs for coffees that aren’t typically in my preference range. Process-forward coffees, omni roasts, medium roasts, and dark roasts go incredibly well with these burrs. Super sweet. They have great "EQ-ing" qualities: it’s difficult to make coffee that tastes astringent, bitter, or like battery acid. Any "off" flavors and roast notes get integrated so that they’re well blended and either difficult to single out or made imperceptible. The mouthfeel is heavy and syrupy, making the beverage feel very rich and substantial. Linger is quite long, with a concentrated apple juice kind of acidity and aftertaste.
There are two ways I like to use this burr set for different results—one for process-forward coffees and another for medium to medium-dark coffees. With process-forward coffees, I want an overall blended beverage where most of the boozy, earthy fermentation flavors are toned down and less perceptible. At the same time, I still want the primary flavor notes to be punchy, candy-like, and forward—maybe not crystal clear, but clear enough to identify distinctly. The R440 at a coarse grind setting (5.5) does this exceptionally. The clarity is similar to the K Ultra, where you get a few of the loudest notes with decent fidelity while still integrating them into the background. I’d say even at coarser grind settings, the burrs impart their character in the beverage’s structural base. The background often has the same theme: guava juice-like silky body, extremely sweet, and a malic apple juice acidity.
At finer grind settings like 4–5, the R440 excels at creating a robust osmotic flow dome that’s very resistant to collapsing. This allows you to do osmotic flow pours on some medium darks that might collapse more easily. While I typically stay away from darker coffees, I find this presentation palatable. The R440 is able to mask or tie in all the less than pleasant acrid roast flavors and bitters together with the sweetness, creating a chocolaty, syrupy, cooked fruit pie experience.
I would recommend this grinder to filter enthusiasts who are interested in a profile that isn’t quite like conical or flat—something in between but that also represents its own extreme. I wouldn’t recommend it for a coffee shop unless you’re a Japanese kissaten, as these burrs definitely don’t spro and have extremely large steps in adjustment.
90/92mm Grindmaster (ghost)
Due to the nature of ghost burrs, the sizes are not mirrored.
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Burr details: Grindmaster ghost burrs
Grinder(s) used: Grindmaster
Preferred flavor profile: Bright, clean, sweet, mostly African and Colombian copies, mostly high elevation, less often and other processes, funky stuff only once in a whileUsage: Mostly filter, v60, d27 and b75.
Espresso, allonges, turbo blooms, sprovers,
These burrs were hard at first to get my head around.
The Pocket science method of v60 works great.
These brews are high clarity, high sweetness, luxurious body/texture.
Once you get these dialed, it’s hard to brew on other burrs. Soup, sprovers are really amazing with these burrs.
98mm Bailou (ghost)
These come included with a knockoff Ek43 on Taobao/AliExpress. Due to the smaller holes sized for a smaller carrier screw size, they are not compatible with grinders using M6 screws carriers.
Burr sent to me by uncola
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No input on this burr yet :(
98mm Kafatek Shuriken Coarse SCR (flat)
There are numerous revisions. The first has 6 prebreakers mirrored. The later v1 holed revision has 9 prebreakers mirrored. v2 is blind without prebreakers, relying on the upper pancake burr. v3 is blind with a single offset prebreaker in the MF98v.
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Burr details: Shuriken Coarse. V4 I think?
Grinder(s) used: Kafatek M98V
Preferred flavor profile: Sey, H&S, September mostly.
Usage: V60 and Melodrip colum mostly with 1/2 TWW light roastI have had the pleasure of borrowing an M98V for the past nearly month and have made no less than 3 pour overs a day over that span. I have tried them in a myriad of brewers but mostly the v60 and Melodrip colum as of late. Being that I can only compare them to what I have owned, rather than ones I’ve only tried once, I think it’s unfair to compare them to my Zerno Z1 with 64mm UMV1 SSP burrs and Timemore 078 with turbo burrs so let’s put comparison aside (for now).
I’ll also be putting aside my feelings and experiences with the M98V as the carrier for the review.
The burrs, in short, are fantastic for me. The clarity is certainly amplified to a massive degree but never sharp or unpleasant like I thought 98mm clarity might be. The notes seem to come at you in succession even after the first burst of information. I have heard people refer to other clarity sets as very upfront, all notes at once, and sometimes “unforgiving”. That has not been my experience with the new shuriken coarse burrs in the M98V. You get that initial burst of clarity followed by waves of succeeding notes and a sweet medium linger. The overall picture is very clear throughout without running into too much pain that clarity sets can sometimes provide when brewing a “less than perfect” coffee/roast. The burrs will expose problems or features in a coffee that I might not like, and has happened a few times, but it seems to never let those characteristics make things undrinkable or take over the entire brew. In that way, I would have to assume that this rounding probably means they aren’t the absolute clearest on the market, but still very precise. I’d love to do side by side comparisons to several of the other burr sets that people love for filter, but alas, I have not yet. Once those (hopefully) take place, I’ll be updating this review.
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Burr details: Shuriken Coarse Blind September 2024 98mm
Grinder(s) used: Kafatek Monolith Flat Max
Preferred flavor profile: Sweet, apple, plum, jolly rancher, floral, lemon, nice spices, baking spices, cinnamon, apple jacks. Don't like heavy, fermenty, weird spicy, super sharp sour,
Usage: Exclusively pourover, I slow feed these and grind hella close to chirp. mostly v60, some april 1:16 sometimes more sometimes less. abaca or the fast t somethings for the v60, always april for april.This burr isn't super forgiving but not awful. It's honesly possibly too sweet for me. Took longer to figure out than i thought. Seems like every kafatek is different so you really gotta dig deep on forums and PM ppl to figure out how tf to use it. Has an almost overwhelming sweetness, but the fruit flavors are pretty well defined when things go right.
98mm Kafatek Shuriken Light-Medium SLM (flat)
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Burr details: Kafatek 98mm flat SLM
Grinder(s) used: Kafatek Flat max 3
Preferred flavor profile: Sey, September, h&s, hydrangeaUsage: Pour over (ufo or colum mostly) and espresso using a flair 58
The most intense flavors and separation without being too surgical or light. Wide dial range hard to get a bad cup or shot.
98mm Kafatek Shuriken Sweet SSW (flat)
There are numerous revisions. The first has 12 prebreakers mirrored. The later holed revision has 9 prebreakers mirrored.
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Burr details: Kafatek 98mm flat SSW (2023)
Grinder(s) used: Kafatek Flat max 2
Preferred flavor profile: Lychee, synthetic flavors, blue gummy shark. Peachy washed Ethiopia, Colombia anaerobic washed, pink bourbons, fruitier Panama geshas.Usage: Pour over, no espresso tested. 3-5 pour, 10-20g, 90-95C, Cafec Abaca, T90, Pulsar. Every light roast type.
Perhaps the most questionable use, a filter-only opinion on an espresso burr.
It is not a burr I would use long-term for filter. Serviceable for anaerobic natural profiles or beans with berry, jammy linger. Less suitable for delicate, clean primary notes or acidic-forward presentations in ultralight washed beans.
With longer brewing contact times and going a bit finer with less dense beans, sweetness is enhanced until it hits a wall of flat flavors.
It is easy to clog brews as used with Cafec T90, Abaca, and Pulsar papers. There is less of a sweet-spot than anticipated, and water of course has a huge effect on the end presentation. Lowering buffer was less desirable than anticipated, and I’d suggest starting at 60/20, going as high as 80/25. Potassium as buffer was more appropriate here than in other acidity-forward burr presentations.
For this style of burr, what was unexpected is how it highlights roast defects. We tend to think of burrs with low ceilings to have higher floors for a narrow band of variance, but this has to me, a low ceiling and low floor. Without getting the expected intense desirable notes, it often managed to highlight stale, tipped, and roasty characteristics across grind sizes and water formulations.
98mm LeBrew HyperBurr Filter (flat)
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Burr details: LeBrew 98mm Filter
Grinder(s) used: EK43, Levercraft Ultra
Preferred flavor profile: Clear acidity presentation. Structure (acidity, and coffee itself).
Usage: Cupping, PouroverVery good flavor separation, linger, sweetness, acidity, and forgiveness. Doesn't excel in any one of these categories with maybe an edge towards sweetness. Really good value when compared to other 98mm offerings and even outperform more expensive options in certain aspects (EX: 98mm SSP HU for filter). A clear (literally) upgrade to 98mm EK B stock EK43 burrs. More of an all-rounder burr set that works well for all roast levels and processing. Sacrifices marginal clarity for forgiveness and sweetness. Easy upgrade if you are budget constrained and want to improve your QC process if you're a coffee business.
98mm Mahlkonig EK43 A “Brew” pre-2015 (flat)
98mm Mahlkonig EK43 B post-2015 (flat)
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As streamed here (youtube link)
Burr details: 98mm Mahlkonig EK43 B post-2015
Grinder(s) used: EK43
Preferred flavor profile:Bright, juicy, loud flavors, harmonious. Depth and structure.
Usage: PouroverBlendy AF. Punishing AF. Weirdly astringent even with shorter brew times. It's like tasting diner coffee. Not forgiving or fun to brew with. Very low extraction ceiling due to high amount of fines. These suck man please don't use them if you're a coffee shop
98mm Option-O Mizen (flat)
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Burr details: 98mm mizen
Grinder(s) used: Lagom p100
Preferred flavor profile: Bright, sweet. Easy to dial in (no ssp mp 64mm)
Usage: EspressoMizens have good sweetness and good for espresso dialing in. Pretty well balanced.
98mm SPP (flat)
SPP originates from a misspelling I captured from an erroneously mimicked AliExpress listing. It came in various coating colors in sporadic availability.
98mm SSP Brew (flat)
There are numerous revisions. SSP produces them, but are further QC-evaluated and proprietarily coated by Titus.
Some pics provided by BigHatFannyPack, Shenrei, labasuraa, Eusebius
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Burr details: I got the brew from dgarrido back in November of 22 and he already had about 20lbs through them at that point. So older and well seasoned. The LU were new as of December 24. I put 10 lbs through them when I got em.
Grinder(s) used: Used in a Lagom 01, shimmed for alignment but no full circle OO shims.
Preferred flavor profile: I prefer high clarity. I hate astringency and dislike bitterness. So, a lot of my brewing preferences have centered around lowering astringency. I like ultralight, washed coffees. I don't often enjoy pushing extraction.
Usage: This was all done on filter. V60 with cafec abacas, around 525-575 micron gap, 93C, bloom and two pours. I preferred slightly longer blooms with brew (1:00-1:15s) than lu (0:45-1:00). I always pour pretty slowly and from a medium height to keep low, but present, kettle agitation. Slow feeding, a few beans at a time, maybe takes 10-15s for a 14g dose.After getting LU well dialed, I put my brew back in and wanted to share some of my thoughts in comparison of the two. All thoughts are based on filter. (98 SSP Low Uniformity Silver Knight vs 98 SSP Brew Red Speed) This is all very opinion based. I know some may disagree. I reserve the right to change my mind.
All these observations are small in the grand scheme of things. Brew and lu are more alike than they are different, but I like trying to discern the differences, even if they are small. With all that out of the way:
Flavor Separation/Integration and Timing I find lu have better incorporation/tying together of different flavors into a pleasant, unified presentation. Individual notes for brew are separate and distinct/disunified. This is obviously a good thing for brew insofar as flavor separation goes, but I find that if the flavors are too separate there can be a lack of unity in the cup. All of this is in relation to the way the different flavors interact with each other, rather than how they present over time. To get more into the timing, I think brew present mostly all at once. Brew are straight to the point. There are multiple notes in one quick burst with a bit of quiet reverb after the peak. Lu seem to ramp up, strongly present a note, smoothly fade to a different note, and then to another as it slowly ramps down. Lu dance around more.
Sweetness and Acidity Lu have a present, almost taffy-like sweetness that can also present jammy. They have more sweetness than brew. Brew's sweetness is secondary to acidity and is more of a fresh fruit sweet. Both highlight the character of a coffee and will not impart much sweetness where it doesn't exist. Brew are more bright and lively in acidity. There is a distinct, almost sparkling quality to the acidity. Lu present a more juicy acidity. I find the lu acidity to be more mouthwatering and tied in with the fruit quality.
Presentation of Imperfections There are few perfect coffees. Most have something that is a little off. When it comes to these imperfections, brew shows these hard edges more clearly. If the experience of a coffee is a shape, then the juts or dips present are more sharp with brew. Lu presentation can still have some protrusions, but they are more rounded off or smoothed. Lu seems to hide minor imperfections, while brew has them presented more distinctly. For example, I had a very light coffee that presented some green, underdeveloped sort of notes that were present on brew that were not detectable on lu. There is a common thought that very high clarity necessarily means showing both the good and the bad of a coffee clearly. While this may technically be correct, I don't think it is always as simple as that. Lu showed the good of coffees well/clearly while hiding some of the bad. I would still say lu are very high clarity. You very clearly get the notes presented. Because of this, they shifted my conception of clarity. Brew fits the more standard thought process. They readily present the more desirable and the less desirable of a given coffee. Brew are more analytical in this way. Lu are just slightly less analytical, but in a pleasant way that shows the good and hides the bad.
For brew, as compared to lu, the highs are higher and the lows are lower. But, I think the delta between the highs is less than the delta between the lows. To say that in a different way, the degree to which brew's highs are higher is less than the degree to which the brew's lows are lower. Lu might not present a 10/10 coffee as well as brew will, but lu will present an 8/10 coffee in a more pleasant way than brew, since the deficiencies will be more apparent in the brew presentation.
Last Thoughts Overall, they both rock. I love having both and switching depending on what I am feeling. I hope this is helpful, or at least interesting. I don't claim that this is the absolute truth or comprehensive. So, if you have tried both, feel free to riff off of this with your thoughts and reactions. If you haven't tried both, I guess the only way to know if you'll like one more than the other is to get them both. Or, you can remember that all of this is super small in the greater context and both are really close to each other and both make amazing coffee. -
Burr details: Titus Brew burrs V3 July 2024
Grinder(s) used: EK43 (well aligned + Titus BC)
Preferred flavor profile: Raspberry, Peach florals generally. Tomato in Kenyan coffees. Light body. No Funk.
Usage: 63/23 (tpc water) and tpc recipe for everything except substance where I mostly use substance water and the substance recipe (with some exceptions where the tpc water and recipe perform better)The burrs really lends itself to Ultra light roasted coffees. Washed coffees are presented quite delicately with a good balance of sweetness and acidity. When the roast is somewhat darker than TPC Omni the brews tend to highlight the roast notes and become hollow and ashy. If the roast is good I think the burrs are rather forgiving for not optimal dial in. Overextraction presents itself to me as a muddling of flavors that make the coffee taste somewhat generic while underextraction leads to a thin body with too much acidity and again turning the coffee rather generic (this is highly overemphasized here as in reality both the “over” and “under” extracted cups are still really good and drinkable).
With more processed beans the coffee can have a decent mouthfeel and long linger with intense flavor notes.
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Burr details: Red speed 98 Brew v2 (probably), early-mid 2022 purchase
Grinder(s) used: P100
Preferred flavor profile: I appreciate and enjoy a wide variety of coffees, provided they are balanced and roasted well. I am however partial to the very light spectrum of roasts where the flavors are delicate and clean - not super intense or heavy, and not overly mild or stoic. I particularly enjoy coffees with apple, pear, and honey notes even though my favorite beans overall are sourced from Yemen. I'm also a fan of medium-dark and dark roasts, specifically in roasts where the bitterness compliments the palette instead of clash. Barrel-aged coffees are nice too. Some roasters that I enjoy: H+S, Hydrangea, Hatch, Caffe Lusso, Saka
Usage: I brew filter 80 percent of the time, with the rest being Turkish (great with darker Yemeni roasts), moka pot, and espresso. My daily driver is an Orea V4 Wide coupled with a Melodrip and 155/185 filters. My bloom times vary from long to short depending on the coffee's age and roast level and I often incorporate WWDT. My water is a heavily diluted Third Wave Water Classic packet with my own ratio of other minerals thrown in, ending up somewhere around 41GH 22KH.My main use case for these burrs are for determining roast transparency while also making tasty cups. An analogy for this is something akin to a pair of high-end studio reference monitors that are highly clinical, but at the same time pleasant to listen to and do not traverse the bounds of a sterile and cold/boring sound. My approach has always favored balanced, transparent brews rather than techniques that mask defects or enhance perceived acidity. These burrs align nicely with this philosophy, particularly now that I've developed significant familiarity with its characteristics.
In my opinion, this is a forgiving burr. It is quite easy to make tasty cups, even when things are not perfectly dialed in. However, ultimately it is quite a revealing burr, and shines with portraying how integrated a brew is. If the acidity of a brew/roast is not very well-integrated, you can very much taste this and with all the little details this burr throws at you, it becomes easy to understand what's going on and why this is going on (roast issue, low rest time issue, brewing issue). The same is also true with darker roasts - you can taste how well the bitterness integrates with the cup. Even if a darker roast brewed with a less clinical burr may "taste" better, the cup brewed with these burrs are, to me, of higher quality. Very small grind adjustments are also easily discernable in the cup. Overall burr profile is light, delicate, and unveiled. Brews are not "intense" or heavy or mild. Moreso what can actually be considered intense is the structure of a brew when using these burrs. Flavor notes do not come in waves but rather almost all at once before dissipating, giving one little time to comprehend what is going on. This little trick is something I really enjoy.
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Burr details: 98 TC brew
Grinder(s) used: EK43s
Preferred flavor profile: Red fruits, berry, florals, sweet, melon, citrus, clean. Fav roasters September, Minmax, H S, SEY, Flowerchild, Moonwake, Hydrangea, Isle, Manhattan. Pink bourbon, gesha, sl28 non tomato kenyan washed, caturra.
Usage: typically WWDT+melodrip 5 pours 50 ppm GH 20 KH 1:2 ca:mg ultra slow feed single bean at a time. grind size 400-700 micron gap.I have no experience with any other type of 98mm burr besides the new 98mm Titus Brew, so I cannot make comparisons to other large burrs. The only other burrs I have tried are heptagonal conicals, various 64mm burrs, and ghost burrs.
That said, these burrs offer the highest clarity of any I have tasted, compared to various shop grinders (I don’t know what burrs were in them) and "midrange" grinders (64mm, conicals). The first sensation is a rapid-fire presentation of all the notes, with a good amount of acidity and enough sweetness to balance. Despite their clarity and transparency, I believe they provide more mouthfeel than one might expect.
After the initial spike of clarity, I notice a strong back-palate spike before the linger quickly diminishes. The linger is longer than that of the new Titus Brew but shorter than that of the K Ultra or MP. I’m not sure if I would call these burrs forgiving they will certainly punish mistakes and expose bad flavors. However, despite the lack of "EQ," the overall beverage still retains pleasant qualities and does not become overbearingly astringent, bitter, or sour. Unpleasant flavors will be just present enough to be perceived, but up to this point, even with messed-up brews, I have not had any cups I outright couldn't stomach.
These burrs are also very tolerant of extremely high extraction. It’s hard to get a brew to taste overly extracted. I’ve had delicious brews ground at a 300-micron gap that took over five minutes to draw down, with a one-minute bloom. In this respect, they are more forgiving than the Titus Brew, which, to my palate, starts to taste over-extracted at anything finer than 400 microns.
Other hobbyists I've talked to have touched on the idea that "clarity" can present in different ways—for example, as distinct notes appearing one at a time or as everything hitting at once. For me, these burrs are definitely the latter. Some burrs might be like a narrow-angle lens slowly panning over a landscape, while these feel more like a super HD panorama—or even two panoramas: one that hits as soon as the coffee touches your palate and another on the back palate.
This is my favorite burr so far, as it presents the "clean" coffees I enjoy very well. It does not hide flaws in green coffee, roast level, roast development, staleness, etc. With these burrs, I like to dial in with temperature, as small temperature changes can highlight different notes. Adjusting the calcium-to-magnesium (CA:MG) ratio can affect sweetness and intensity. Slow feeding makes less of a difference with these burrs than with others I have tried.
I would recommend these burrs to anyone who shares my preferences for roasters and enjoys very high-clarity brews but doesn’t care too much about a lingering aftertaste. That’s not to say these don’t have aftertaste, as some have said about SSP Brew—they certainly do, just not as lingering as other burrs. I would not reccomend them to a coffeeshop unless they only want to sell coffees that go well with these burrs. These burrs may limit a roaster to very light coffees with little funk. It might be an ok commercial burrset if the shop already has an all purpose burr in a different grinder.
For anyone considering "upgrading" from the current geometry Titus Brew to TC Brew, I would not confidently claim that TC is an "upgrade." I never had the opportunity to taste these side by side, so I cannot comment on nuanced differences between the burrs on specific coffees. However, after using each burr set daily for a few months, I would not say my experiences with TC Brew have been significantly better. The two burr sets are much closer in character than they are different. IMO, the initial hit of clarity is nearly the same, as are the mouthfeel, sweetness, structure, acidity, and bitterness. TC Brew does have more of a back palate hit of clarity after the initial peak, whereas Titus seems to fade out after the first peak. The overall linger is similar in length both are pretty short.
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Burr details: Titus's 98mm SSP Brew, purchased around spring 2023, I believe.
Grinder(s) used: EK43 and currently Option-O P100
Preferred flavor profile: Clean coffees, high acidity. I like florals, red fruits, berries, stone fruit, citrus, apples, etc. I avoid funk, savory notes and notes like dark chocolate and nuts.My prefered roast level is around TW and Coffee Collective from 3 years ago, traditional "Nordic light", tho I also enjoy the ultralights of say H&S and TPC.
Usage: I use RO water, but with the setup I have, that still leaves me with water that reads 20-30ppm.
For pourover, I usually brew 12g to 200g or 210g. On the P100, I grind between 7-8 which yields grounds ≈500-800 microns meassured with the breweler, medium-fine. I do slow feeding, but not one bean at a time.
I brew with the Kono and v60 primarilly, using cafec T90s, almost always the same recipe:
Double 30g/30s bloom at 0:00 and 0:30, pouring with a broken stream, no swirl, but sometimes a stir on the first bloom if the coffee is very fresh.
At 1 min, I pour in a spiral pattern with a moderately slow flow rate to 140g. When the water is just nearing the bed again, I pour the remaining water in a smaller spiral, as low flow rate as possible, staying within a large coins radius of the center.
Honestly this burr is great for the same reason that it's hard to dial in. When I grind too fine, it's rare that I get intense astringency or bitterness. Instead, I encounter just slightly slower flow rates, sometimes lower extractions, and a little more muddled or unclear flavors, which means I have to be more analytically engaged in the dial in process.
When the coffee is dialed in, I get a very clear and simple picture of the coffee with high flavor seperation. Not very intense, nor particularly sweet, in my opinion. Acidity is decently sharp and distinct, tho not searingly sharp. I feel like the burrs tend to highlight florals and aromatic, perhaps because it doesn't obscure those notes with more complexity/bitterness. This can also accentuate certain herbal notes a bit more, for example the "tomato" quality of some Kenyans, the herbality of Central American coffees, etc.
98mm SSP Cast Pre-2015 (flat)
These are currently the default when referring to SSP Cast. Prior to this, SSP offered both this and the homage to the EK B post-2015 (now discontinued).
98mm SSP High uniformity (flat)
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Burr details: 98 High Uniformity Red Speed
Grinder(s) used: Option-O P100
Preferred flavor profile: Exposure of flavorsUsage: Experimental espresso pushing extraction properties with baskets and prep uniformity
These burrs lead to an an intense early expression of more of the sour flavors in an unbalanced way often referred to as "battery acid" but punish you heavily from straying from the few tasty zones they can present. Tasty to some, horribly unbalanced to others, and in the worse case extremely harsh and a waste of beans trying to dial in anything good.
Great for a vocal few.
98mm SSP Low uniformity (flat)
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Burr details: 98mm SSP LU Redspeed & Silverknight
Grinder(s) used: P100
Preferred flavor profile: I love acid, juice, everything but sweetness. Favorite roaster: Moonwake, The Picky Chemist, Aviary
Usage: Pourover
Super peaky acidity. Super easy to extract very high. The most tea-like body you can get. Similar to 98mm SSP Brew but with finish/aftertaste. Quintessential SSP filter brewing philosophy - super enthusiast target. Maximum everything. Very intense presentation. Your flaws/brewing/coffee will be exposed and because there's finish pain will linger. Tons of juice out of these burrs. Best with 40/20 water
98mm SSP OLD (flat)
A discontinued set with HU preabreakers and LU finishing flats
102mm Option-O Mizen (flat)
102mm SSP Brew (flat)
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Burr details: 98 High Uniformity Red Speed
Grinder(s) used: Option-O P100
Preferred flavor profile: Exposure of flavorsUsage: Experimental espresso pushing extraction properties with baskets and prep uniformity
These burrs lead to an an intense early expression of more of the sour flavors in an unbalanced way often referred to as "battery acid" but punish you heavily from straying from the few tasty zones they can present. Tasty to some, horribly unbalanced to others, and in the worse case extremely harsh and a waste of beans trying to dial in anything good.
Great for a vocal few.
102mm SSP High Uniformity (flat)
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Burr Details: I picked up this burrset in Option-0 Brewlab last Aug 2024 (thanks to Sam). Red speed.
Grinder(s) used: Option-O Lagom 01
Preference: I tend to not use processed coffees with this burrset as I find the flavors too exposed. Instead, I mainly use clean light coffees.
Usage: I typically don't push higher ratios with this burr set, usually sticking around 1:2 to 1:2.5 for espresso and 1:15 to 1:16 for filter. For water recipe, I use 0/40 on espresso then remin with Apax then for filter I mainly brew with distilled then post min with Apax.
102 HU's strength is its flavor peak and punch upfront, especially with clean washed coffees. It is also a very acid-forward burr which for me makes clean and delicate coffees a lot more interesting. The way it presents acidity is crisp rather than sharp. Flavor clarity is very high with this burr, it presents everything what the coffee has to offer. With its extremely loud presentation, I think that other users will only either like or dislike the profile, no in between.
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